In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m examining the heartbreaking murder of 32-year-old Caroline Piña Cairo, a mother of five whose life was taken in a brutal daylight attack that stunned the Del Rio, Texas community. When Caroline arrived at the hospital suffering from multiple stab wounds, medical teams fought to save her life. Despite their efforts, she later succumbed to her injuries. Three women were arrested and charged with her murder, but many questions surrounding the case remain unanswered as the investigation continues. As a forensic death investigator and former emergency room nurse, I walk through what happens in the critical moments after a stabbing victim arrives at the hospital, why injuries like these can be far more severe than they first appear, and how investigators begin reconstructing a violent crime through witness statements, surveillance footage, forensic evidence, and medical findings. I also discuss why it’s so important to separate verified facts from speculation while a case is still unfolding. But more than anything, I want to remember Caroline. She wasn’t simply the victim in a headline. She was a mother, a friend, and someone remembered for her generosity and the kindness she showed others, even during difficult times in her own life. Behind every investigation is a family whose world has been forever changed, and five children who will grow up without their mother. This episode contains discussion of homicide, stabbing violence, and death. Listener discretion is advised. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:
Amy Steadman and the Mechanicville Family Deaths
In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m covering the heartbreaking case involving Amy Steadman and the tragic family deaths that shook the community of Mechanicville, New York. Cases involving multiple family members are among the most emotionally difficult for investigators, first responders, and the communities left searching for answers. As details emerged, investigators were faced with the complex task of piecing together what happened inside a home where several lives were lost, while loved ones struggled to make sense of an unimaginable tragedy. As a forensic death investigator, I discuss the investigative process behind cases like this, the importance of carefully documenting the scene, evaluating the evidence without assumptions, and understanding how investigators work to reconstruct the events that led to such devastating outcomes. I also explore the emotional toll these cases can have, not only on surviving family members, but on the professionals responsible for uncovering the truth. But beyond the investigation, I want to remember the people at the center of this story. Behind every report are individuals whose lives mattered, families forever changed, and a community left grieving. Every death investigation is about more than determining what happened, it’s about honoring those who can no longer speak for themselves and seeking answers with compassion, professionalism, and respect. This episode contains discussion of family violence, homicide, and death. Listener discretion is advised. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. I’m so happy that y’all joined us today. Still recovering from all the CrimeCon stuff. My items that I had there were boxed up and shipped back to me, and I just got them all back. 00:46 So, I’m trying to get them into my store at the Mercantile in Krum. Thank you for being patient with me. My plan was to try to do that today, but I ended up having to make a doctor’s appointment. So, it’s been kind of crazy. 00:58 Clinical tomorrow and then meds fall, med spa, and, you know, the routine. Trying to keep my head afloat while I’m finishing school. I’ve got one month left of this semester. So, I get a month and a half off and then I have two more small three-month semesters finished or left. 01:18 So hopefully it will go quickly. It seems like so far away, but I know that these days’ time flies super-fast. I want to make sure that y’all have a super safe 4th of July. I know at the medical examiner’s office, we would always frequently have drownings during the holidays when everyone’s at the lake and having their hold my beer and watch this moment. 01:41 So, keep a close eye on your friends. And my biggest thing is don’t always assume that your friends that can swim don’t still need to be watched because if they’re drinking or if they’re not super healthy, they could have a medical emergency in the water. 02:02 There are, in many cases, free life jackets available at the lakes. So, everyone in your boat should have one. There’s just a lot of ways to think ahead about how to be safe and prevent accidents and injuries and deaths. 02:19 Just kind of keep that in your head when you’re going to the lake or even when you’re just outside in the heat. Take water. Stay hydrated. We don’t want a bunch of heat strokes going on. Think about your health and the health of the others with you. 02:32 And that will help tremendously in preventing deaths and accidents and injuries. So, okay, that’s my spiel. Gonna get into this week’s episode. This week, I want to talk to you a little bit about the case regarding Amy Steadman, and this is the Mechanicville family deaths. 02:51 Now, this happened on June 23rd, so it wasn’t that long ago. This year, police in Mechanicville, New York responded to a wellness check at an apartment on Harris Avenue. Now, a neighbor had grown worried. 03:05 The family had not been seen, and the air around the apartment smelled wrong, and flies were gathering. And we’ve talked about this before when someone’s in their home, haven’t been seen in a while. They call the police for a welfare check, and it smells bad. 03:23 I mean, you’ve smelled an animal that has been decaying in the road or in the ditch, and it’s just not a pleasant smell. Those details actually matter in death investigation. Odor and flies, they tell you, obviously, that time has passed. 03:40 They tell you that something inside has changed, and they tell you that the body or bodies are no longer in an early stage of death, but they are decomposing. So, when officers actually entered Amy Steadman’s apartment, they found six people dead. 03:58 Amy Steadman was 64. Her daughter, Sarah Myers, was 44. Sarah’s daughter, Harper Harmon, was 13. Sarah’s son, Hudson Harmon, was 11. And Sarah’s 10-year-old twins were Gavin Harmon and Gracelyn Harmon. 04:17 So, all six were found inside Amy’s apartment. And even though Sarah and the children actually lived in a separate unit in the same apartment complex. Police later said that the deaths appeared criminal and evidence suggested intentional poisoning. 04:35 Investigators also said that one of the children had suffered fatal sharp force injuries. So, a handwritten note found inside the home strongly pointed towards Amy Stedman. According to the police, that’s just what they said. 04:51 Toxicology results and final medical examiner findings were still pending when these details were released. Today we’re talking about what police believe Amy Steadman did. So, we’re talking about the crime scene and the poisoning, sharp force injury,
The Survivor Who Stopped a Serial Killer
In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m examining the disturbing case of Shawn Michael Grate, a serial killer whose crimes spanned a decade across northern Ohio and left multiple families forever changed. What makes this case especially unsettling is not only the length of time the murders continued, but how many opportunities there may have been to stop the violence sooner. As investigators pieced together the evidence, a clearer picture emerged of a predator who targeted vulnerable women, leaving behind unanswered questions and unimaginable heartbreak. As a forensic death investigator, I walk through the timeline of the investigation, the evidence that ultimately connected the cases, and the forensic and investigative techniques that helped bring long-awaited answers to the victims’ families. We’ll also discuss how missing persons investigations, crime scene evidence, and victim identification play critical roles in solving complex serial homicide cases. But as with every case I cover, I want to keep the focus where it belongs. On the victims. Each woman had a life, a story, and people who loved her. Behind every headline was someone whose future was stolen far too soon. Their lives deserve to be remembered with dignity, not simply as part of a criminal’s history. This episode explores the realities of serial homicide investigations while honoring the individuals whose stories might otherwise be overshadowed by the person responsible. This episode contains discussion of homicide, sexual violence, and serial murder. Listener discretion is advised. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. I am working on my home YouTube podcast studio. My office is very, there’s a lot of echoes in there. 00:47 And so, I’m going to have to do something, I think, with the walls. As you all know, I’ve been recording for years in the floor of my closet, surrounded by my clothes hanging, which serve a great buffer from outside noise. 01:01 But I’m ready to get on video. I’m ready to do this YouTube thing. I’ve also started a YouTube channel for my MedSpa called Beyond the Needle, and I’m working on the studio there at the same time. Of course, all while going to grad school, recording the podcast, taking care of my family, and working full-time at the med spa and actually attending clinicals for $0 an hour. 01:33 So, we all know at some point in our lives what that looks like. And it’s so fun, y’all. But I’ve got to get the YouTube up and going. I know that YouTube’s kind of where it’s at, trying to work a little bit on my TikTok. 01:48 I have somebody that’s going to help me with some videos. And right now, I have someone working on an intro and outro for my YouTube channels for both the MedSpa and the podcast. So, we’re going to start really pushing out the subscription boxes, the cereal boxes. 02:04 Those are great. They have the cutest things in them. I know that y’all are going to love them. And I’ve got a lot of new items with my logo on them that I took to CrimeCon. And yeah, I really need to get up to the Merk here in Krum and get all that stuff set up in that booth so that y’all can purchase some of the new stuff. 02:24 I know I’ve had a lot of y’all asking about them. First, I want to talk a little bit about my friend Stephanie. Stephanie owns a company called Soaping Up Life, and her soaps are amazing. Let me tell you, I bought some in little boxes, super cute gifts for my girlfriends for Christmas, and they loved them. 02:49 There was a bath bomb, a soap, I think a lip balm. It was just the cutest little set ever. So, if you need some self-care in your life, you’re going to find a lot of handcrafted soaps, foaming hand soaps, bath bombs, and more. 03:07 And these are made in very small batches by Stephanie at her house with skin-loving ingredients and unique fragrances that you will absolutely love. And for the ultimate treat, you need to join her subscription box, Soaping Up Life, and get a curated collection of handmade bath and body products delivered right to your door every month. 03:32 So, visit soapinguplife.com and treat yourself today. You will not be sorry. Stephanie’s soaps smell amazing. This week, we’re going to talk a little about missed opportunities. This is a case that continues today to haunt investigators across Ohio. 03:55 But first, I do want to thank y’all for spending your day with me. I know I met so many people at CrimeCon who listen every day. And some while they’re driving to work, some might be walking their dog, cleaning their house, or just sitting in their favorite chair with a cup of coffee. 04:12 But I truly appreciate you being here. Now, again, this is a story of missed opportunities and vulnerable victims. A story about a woman who actually made one phone call that saved her life and exposed a serial killer. 04:30 This is about Shawn Grate. And I want to say that this episode actually contains discussion of sexual assault, not vivid, but there were some women tortured. There were homicides involved and violence against women. 04:47 So, listener discretion is advised. I don’t go into gory details, but I want to get started a little bit on this story. Now, September 13th, 2016, we’re in Ashland, Ohio, and there was a woman trapped inside a house. 05:08 She’d been beaten. She’d been sexually assaulted. She had been bound to a bed and
Where It All Began: Julie’s Story – Host of Pushing Up Lilies
Who am I, and how did I end up investigating death for a living? Originally released as Episode One, I’m bringing this episode back for new listeners who want to know the story behind the voice of Pushing Up Lilies. This is my story, from my path into nursing to becoming a Forensic Nurse Death Investigator. I’ll talk about what drew me to this unique profession, what it’s really like to investigate deaths, and why I felt called to create this podcast. Over the years, I’ve responded to countless death scenes, worked alongside law enforcement, medical examiners, and families experiencing unimaginable loss. Those experiences have taught me that every death has a story, and understanding that story requires compassion, science, careful investigation, and sometimes asking difficult questions. Pushing Up Lilies was created to give listeners an honest look behind the scenes of death investigation. Whether you’re fascinated by forensic science, curious about how cases are solved, or simply interested in the realities of this profession, I hope this podcast helps educate, inspire, and answer questions you’ve always wondered about. If you’re new here, welcome. This episode is the perfect place to begin. If you’ve been listening for a while, thank you for being part of this journey. I’m so glad you’re here. Join me as I share the story behind the microphone, and the path that led me to Pushing Up Lilies. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? So, my journey as a forensic nurse began quite some time ago. I got out of nursing school, and at that time, there was no such thing as forensic nursing. 00:43 I was a charge nurse in the local emergency room, and my unit director came up and asked me to train to be a sexual assault nurse examiner. At the time, of course, I didn’t know much about what it was, but I did know that when we had a patient come into the emergency room that had been sexually assaulted, we would struggle to do the exam correctly because we would do the rape kit on that patient. 01:14 And it would take probably about four hours because the directions were so detailed. We didn’t want to mess anything up. It would take us away from all of our other patients. We would have to give them to another nurse and struggle to do the rape kit correctly. 01:31 It was just really a long, drawn-out process. They had decided, well, we’re going to train nurses to do this. They would do this all the time. They would be experienced. They would know what they’re doing. 01:44 They would be able to testify in court and know what trauma looked like from a sexual assault aspect. My boss asked me to do that and I did reluctantly. I wasn’t super excited about it. I really didn’t really know what I was getting into. 02:04 But over the years, and of course I’ve done that for 21 years, over the years of testifying in court and actually helping get those perpetrators sentenced, many of them or most of them, life in prison, was so invigorating to have that power to be able to help get justice for the victims. 02:31 So, over the years, I wanted to know more about forensics. I wanted to know what I could do to help in the forensics field. Keep in mind, this is before CSI and before forensic files. None of that stuff was really on TV yet, right? 02:48 So forensic nursing was just becoming a thing. So, I called my local medical examiner’s office and asked them how I could learn to be a death investigator. They told me to just get the training anywhere I could, save all my certificates, and keep my CV updated, which is what I did. 03:08 I sent myself to the University of St. Louis, to the medical school, and I took the training course. I could not get certified because I was not working in the field of death investigation, but I at least took the course and came home with that knowledge so that I could start looking for a job in death investigation. 03:30 I found one in Harris County. I moved to Houston and I worked there for years and got so much experience working with the best of the best. Houston is such a melting pot of people. There were all sorts of different things going on there, which they go on everywhere. 03:48 We just don’t hear about them. But I got the best experience ever. So, then I moved back to this area, worked briefly as deputy chief for Dallas County, then got the job working for Denton County as a forensic death investigator, which is where I’m at now. 04:10 And it’s kind of strange because when I was a child, I was scared to death of death. I would go to sleep at night, afraid I would wake up. I thought that the last thing I said to my parents before I went to bed was the last thing they were ever going to hear from me. 04:28 So, to find myself working in this field now is a little strange to me. People always ask me, how do you do it? How do you do it and still be happy? Do you not take that stuff home with you? Don’t you have dreams? 04:42 And I don’t. And I think what makes it easier for me is in the hospital, when you’re taking care of patients, you get to know them, you get to know their family, you almost feel like you’re a part of their family. 04:55 And
The State of Texas vs Karmelo Anthony
In last week’s episode, I explored the tragic death of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf and the events that unfolded during a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas. This week, I’m following the case into the courtroom as we examine The State of Texas vs. Karmelo Anthony. During this episode, I’ll walk through the key moments of the trial, the arguments presented by both the prosecution and defense, and the jury’s ultimate decision. We’ll discuss the self-defense claim raised by the defense, the testimony presented during the proceedings, and the factors that may have influenced the outcome. I’ll also review the sentencing phase and the emotional victim impact statements delivered by Austin’s family. As always, my goal is not to sensationalize tragedy, but to help listeners better understand the investigative and legal processes that follow a violent death. Cases like this often generate strong opinions and intense public discussion, but inside the courtroom, decisions must be based on evidence, testimony, and the law. Join me as we take a closer look at one of the most closely watched criminal trials in recent Texas history and examine the legal journey from a fatal encounter to a murder conviction. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. Super excited. This is my 202nd episode. And I just want to thank everyone at the Louisville Police Department. 00:48 I spoke with their volunteers last night and I do it frequently, probably, I don’t know, once or twice a year. But it is so fun to go and visit with them. They love to hear about death investigations and exactly what death investigators do. 01:06 And it’s such an amazing group of people. And they donate so much of their time. Big shout out to that group for having me and making me feel welcome. I went into the new Louisville Police Department and it’s beautiful. 01:20 I’ve not been into the new building yet. I know that many of the officers were wondering how long it was going to take before they could get moved in, but it’s really pretty. Thank you again. I appreciate y’all so much. 01:33 This week, I need to touch on the Austin Metcalf case. I covered the Karmelo Anthony trial last week, and I just need to give y’all updates because this is in my area. It’s right down the street. So last week we talked about Karmelo Anthony, a student in Centennial High School here in Frisco. 01:55 He was charged with first degree murder back in April of 2025 for stabbing 17-year-old Austin Metcalf during a high school track meet. And one of the biggest controversies occurred before the testimony even began. 02:10 This was when the jury was chosen because the final jury actually consisted of 12 jurors and there were six alternates, but there were no black jurors seated despite Karmelo Anthony being black. Not a big deal, right, to me, just because color to me is not important. 02:33 But defense attorneys actually challenged the prosecution’s removal of several black prospective jurors, arguing that there was racial bias. Prosecutors actually stated that those jurors were struck because they were educators. 02:50 It had nothing to do with race. And the judge sided with the prosecution. And of course, outside of the courthouse, supporters of Anthony and Metcalf gathered, and tensions ran a little bit high. Wouldn’t want to be in the area during that time. 03:10 On day one, the opening statements took place. The lead prosecutor told jurors that they would see evidence showing that Anthony actually initiated the confrontation and used a concealed knife during what would have been a minor disagreement over seating under a team tent. 03:32 Now, prosecutors argued that the stabbing was intentional and that it was not at all justified. Now, as far as the defense position, defense attorney Mike Howard said that Anthony found himself surrounded and frightened. 03:51 And the defense told jurors that Anthony acted on a split second during a chaotic confrontation and that he believed he was in danger. Their theme from the very beginning was self-defense. The prosecution’s first witness was Mark Porter, and he’s a forensic video analyst. 04:13 Porter actually walked jurors through the surveillance footage from multiple cameras around the stadium. Prosecutors argued the footage showed Anthony entering the tent area, a confrontation occurring, and then Anthony leaving immediately afterwards. 04:33 Now, jurors also saw body camera footage and surveillance evidence at that time. On day two, eyewitnesses took the stand. There were several teenage witnesses and friends of Austin Metcalf’s who testified. 04:51 According to reports, those witnesses consistently described Karmelo Anthony as the aggressor. Their testimony centered really on the argument beneath the tent, Anthony’s refusal to move, and the rapid escalation that followed after that. 05:11 Multiple witnesses described Anthony producing a knife during the confrontation. This was one of the most emotional days of the testimony because many witnesses personally knew Austin Metcalfe. And so you can only imagine how difficult that would be, especially for kids in high school. 05:31 Jurors also heard details about Austin’s final moments after the stabbing, which was also, I’m sure, very difficult to hear. Now, day three, the prosecution continued calling witnesses. Jurors heard from investigators, law enforcement officers, coaches, and also others involved in the aftermath immediately after the stabbing. 05:57 Now, one significant piece of testimony involved Anthony’s statements after the stabbing and body camera footage showed Anthony telling officers he put his hands on me. Now, that statement really became important because the defense argued it supported self-defense, while prosecutors argued that it did not justify
One Final Moment: The Tragic Death of Austin Metcalf
In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m covering the heartbreaking case of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf, a high school student whose life was tragically cut short during what should have been an ordinary day at a track meet. In April 2025, a confrontation between two young men at a Frisco, Texas, athletic event ended in an act of violence that shocked a community and made headlines across the country. What began as a disagreement escalated in a matter of moments, leaving one family grieving the loss of a son, brother, friend, and teammate. As a forensic death investigator, I walk through the known timeline of events, the investigation that followed, and the legal proceedings involving Karmelo Anthony. I also discuss the difficult realities surrounding youth violence, split-second decisions, and the devastating consequences that can follow. But as with every case I cover, I want to keep the focus where it belongs. On Austin. On the life he lived, the people who loved him, and the future that was taken from him far too soon. This episode is approached with compassion and respect for everyone affected by this tragedy. Beyond the headlines, this is the story of a young life lost and a community forever changed. This episode contains discussion of violence, homicide, and the death of a minor. Listener discretion is advised. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. I just want to say how much fun I had at CrimeCon this past weekend in Vegas. Caesar’s Palace is huge. 00:44 I had been there before, but I guess I never really truly walked around. It’s humongous. The area where they had the convention was kind of spread out and there wasn’t a lot of signage. I think the only complaint that we had was that there was no opportunity to get like a soda or a cup of coffee without walking way over from where we were all the way back into Caesar’s Palace. 01:14 And so, it’s kind of difficult to get around. Next year is going to be in Orlando in September. So, we’re already super excited about that. But I’m not going to lie. I think I’m going to drive because shipping for all my merch was ridiculous crazy. 01:30 And then I had to pay over $1,000 to have it stored before CrimeCon started. And then, of course, you have to pay for them to bring it to you. And then you have to ship back what you didn’t sell. And so, when you add all that up, you’re looking at thousands of dollars. 01:49 I know we’ve talked about this before. Podcasting really doesn’t pay. When you don’t have sponsors like a lot of us do or do not, then it’s a pretty big expense considering the fact that you’ve already taken off work to be there. 02:04 So, it had its challenges, but overall, it was amazing. We met so many nice people and I was able to pick the brain of a lot of people that have been podcasting a lot longer than me. It’s always educational and it’s such a great community because everyone really tries to help each other. 02:25 It’s not like a dog eat dog where, you know, I want to get big before you do. It’s a community of people. And I love that. We all come from different angles. We all have different experiences. We all tell stories a little bit different. 02:42 And it’s okay. There’s room for everybody. A lot of true crime lovers. I was super humbled by the number of people that came by my booth wanting my autograph and wanting my picture with them. I have a sweet little lady from California who actually said that she crochets while she’s listening to my podcast and she crocheted me a magnifying glass and it was so sweet. 03:09 It had like a little hook on it where I could like hang it on my Christmas tree. I think I’m going to do a little true crime Christmas tree in my office this year just because I think it’s neat. I thought that was amazing. 03:20 And so, I just… I love meeting people. I had a lot of people come by and say, you’re my favorite. You’re my favorite true crime podcast. I listen to you every week. And that just makes me feel so good. 03:31 Like I said, we’re all like just so humbled by this. We definitely didn’t do this to become well known or anything like that. I just like to educate. And then it helps me vent because again, like I told a lot of people, when I would come home from work after a rough day, my kids didn’t want to hear how my day went and what I did. 03:53 And my husband didn’t either. It’s a lot of trauma that you carry with you when you work in this field. You know, police officers, firefighters, EMS, people that work at the funeral home, last responders, first responders, the medical examiner’s office. 04:09 So, it’s heavy and it’s a lot of weight. And you don’t always get to decompress. And it’s really hard after you’ve had a rough day to go home and just like go to bed. And sometimes you just need to vent and talk about it. 04:25 Anyway, absolutely loved our time at CrimeCon. Hoping to go to Crime Cruise in November. We’re going to have to see how school works out for me and how I’m going to make that happen because I will be in the middle of a semester. 04:40 But
The Monster He Wanted to Become
In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m covering the heartbreaking case of Rachel Castillo, a young mother whose disappearance in Southern California led investigators to a devastating discovery, and ultimately, the conviction of her estranged husband, Zarbab Ali. Rachel vanished during what should have been a routine custody exchange involving her children. But almost immediately, investigators began uncovering signs that something was terribly wrong. What followed was an intense investigation involving surveillance footage, blood evidence, digital tracking, and a search that ended with Rachel’s body being found buried in a remote area. As a forensic death investigator, I walk through how cases like this begin to unfold behind the scenes, how small pieces of evidence start forming a timeline, how investigators interpret behavioral patterns, and how critical those early investigative decisions become when someone suddenly disappears under suspicious circumstances. This episode contains discussion of domestic violence, homicide, and burial concealment. Listener discretion is advised. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, this is Julie with Pushing Up Lilies, and I can’t even begin to explain how excited I am about going to CrimeCon. I’ve never even been as just a bystander. 00:45 What little I know about it, I have learned from my new podcast friend who have been there before. And this year, I didn’t get on Creator’s Road. That was my goal. It didn’t happen. It’s fine. We’ll do it next year, y’all. 01:03 This year, I’m an exhibitor. It was rather expensive to be an exhibitor, which is fine. I feel like that’s one way to get the word out, to allow people to see who I am and to learn a little bit about my podcast. 01:18 Maybe will give me a head start for next year. But this year, I’m in Exhibitors Hall and I’m in booth 62. I’m happy to announce that my, thanks to FMG Network and my producer, Jody Colvard, my comic book is going to be for sale, limited edition at my booth at CrimeCon this year. 01:44 So super excited about that. And we are leaving on Thursday. Haven’t even packed. Don’t know what I’m wearing. Completely unorganized. I have clinical tomorrow. Life is lifing and it’s going to work out. 02:01 It always does. I’ve never been one to plan weeks and weeks ahead. Although I did have to plan a little bit in advance for CrimeCon because I did have to mail all of my merch like two weeks in advance. 02:14 So, UPS came and picked up 10 boxes from my home and delivered them at the warehouse in Vegas. They’ve all been delivered. I’ve gotten confirmation. So, they’re there, which is, it’s hard for me to kind of let go of that and make sure everything gets where it’s supposed to be. 02:32 They all arrived. And so, I’m super excited that when we get there to our booth, we call and bring them over from the warehouse to our booth. And then we unload the boxes and then they take the empty boxes back to the warehouse. 02:45 It sounds like a well-oiled machine. We shall see. I am already getting ideas for next year. So, I guess that’s the way it happens, right? When you start doing things like this. I’m getting some invitations to attend other conferences, which I so appreciate. 03:04 I do need to try to find some sponsors because these things aren’t free and podcasting pays $0 an hour unless you have a sponsor. So, what little bit of monetary value that I’m getting from this now is just selling my merch. 03:21 So, if you are interested, all of my merch will be available on my website soon. And if you’re coming to CrimeCon, stop by Booth 62 in the exhibitors hall and buy some. I would very much appreciate it. 03:34 Now, I do have to say, okay, we’re leaving Thursday. We’ll be back on June 1st. Caesar’s Palace. It’s going to be so fun. I have to say I’m a little bit nervous because, again, I’ve never been there, but everything seems to always kind of work out. 03:51 So, I’m trying not to sweat it and not to worry too much. But I do have to tell y’all that I discovered today that today is my 200th episode. So what I’m going to do, I’m going to post something about my 200th episode on Facebook and I will give you the opportunity to drop in your email, a private message me, your email, and that’ll put you in a drawing for a giveaway. 04:19 I’m just feeling like giving stuff away. So, I feel like we need to celebrate in some way. 200 episodes is huge. That actually is a little less than four years. I think that that’s a milestone. And y’all, I’ve done this in my closet floor on my laptop every week for four years. 04:42 If that’s not commitment, I don’t know what is. I would love your support. Follows and shares are amazing. If you know anybody who’s interested in sponsorship, that would be even more amazing. But I look forward to seeing all of you who are planning to come to CrimeCon. 05:00 I want to talk this week about a case that makes you very angry, and a lot of them do. This one also makes you sad, as most of them do. There are a lot of cases that make you physically uncomfortable because they force you to look directly into the darkest corners of human behavior. 05:20 And this is one of those cases. This is the story of Rachel Castillo, and she was a 25-year-old
The Death of Spencer Irwin: Questions Left Behind
In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m covering the mysterious death of Spencer Irwin, a 30-year-old Fresno City College student whose body was discovered behind a business loading dock in Fresno, California, in August of 2024. What initially appeared to authorities to be a tragic but straightforward case quickly became something far more complicated. Spencer was found naked, with no obvious signs of trauma, and early assumptions pointed toward a drug overdose or transient-related death. But toxicology reports later came back clean. No overdose. No clear explanation. And despite the unanswered questions surrounding his death, the coroner ultimately ruled it “natural causes.” What makes this case especially unsettling is what didn’t happen. No autopsy was performed.And Spencer’s body was cremated. As a forensic death investigator, I discuss the difficult reality of cases that fall into gray areas, where evidence is limited, assumptions are made early, and families are left searching for answers long after a case is considered closed. Because sometimes the hardest part of an investigation…is not what we know. It’s what we don’t. This episode contains discussion of death, investigative uncertainty, and unresolved circumstances surrounding the case. Listener discretion is advised. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, Julie here with Pushing Up Willies. Wanted to reach out and thank everybody again who came to our sip and solve event for the True Crime Club at McCart Street Mercantile this past week. 00:46 It was so much fun. We played crime or no crime and then a great icebreaker. We went around the room and talked about what our last meal request would be if we were on death row. So, it was really interesting to kind of hear what people’s answers were. 01:03 And most people responded with meals that brought them comfort when they were a child, which I found really interesting. And mine was potato salad, coconut cream pie, and chicken and dumplings, because my grandma used to make the best chicken and dumplings. 01:22 My mom used to make potato salad for me every time I was sick, and coconut cream pie is just my favorite. It was kind of fun to hear what everybody had to say. We did decide at the next meeting that we are probably going to dress as a serial killer. 01:41 And then we are going to cook one of the serial killers’ last meals that are in the death row cookbook that I sell in my merch shop. And we’re going to try to guess whose last meal it was. So that’ll be kind of fun. 01:58 Tiana, that owns our blended table, she also owns a food truck. She’s going to put together that meal for us. And so, I think it’ll be so much fun. So, if you love true crime and you love being around other people who love true crime and you want to have a good time, keep an eye out for our next event. 02:17 Again, Sip and Solve and it’s the True Crime Club. You can find it on Facebook. We’ll probably have monthly events maybe every couple of months. Look forward to seeing you there. We had a whole new group of people this time. 02:34 It’s a lot of fun. They had some special drinks. The one I had was embalming fluid and actually it was delicious. Non-alcoholic. We just had a great time. And heavenly encourage you to come out if you enjoy that kind of thing. 02:49 I’m super excited that CrimeCon is, it’s in 10 days, y’all. I cannot believe it. All my merchandise has arrived at the warehouse there. So, we will be leaving to head that direction on the 28th. Again, it’s at Caesar’s Palace, May 29th through 31st. 03:08 And I’m super excited. I’m so glad to be a part of it. Hopefully next year it can get on Creator’s Row, but this year I’m in exhibitor hall, booth 62. So, if you come to Vegas, come by and visit with me. 03:21 I also have my limited edition comic books there. And so, I’m super excited to roll those out so that y’all can see them. A lot going on. Tonight’s episode is kind of one of those stories that leaves more questions than answers. 03:36 It’s the kind that frustrates families and investigators and honestly anybody who even hears it. Because when a young person disappears under suspicious circumstances and then later turns up dead, people naturally expect a thorough investigation. 03:53 They want answers and they definitely want accountability, but sometimes families are left fighting for those answers themselves. This is the story of Spencer Irwin. Now, Spencer was a 30-year-old college student from Fresno, California, whose mother says he was dismissed, overlooked, and misjudged almost immediately after he was found dead. 04:18 And tonight I want to walk through this case chronologically, and I want to also discuss the forensic and investigative concerns that stand out to me as an investigator. So, on the morning of July 28th, 2024, Spencer Irwin spoke with his mother, Kelly, like he normally did. 04:40 According to reports, the two were very close. She described talking to him every single day and even meeting him for lunch between his classes at Fresno City College. Spencer was 30 years old and reportedly living in an apartment near McKinley Avenue in Fresno. 04:59 And so that Sunday morning seemed very routine. At some point during the conversation, Spencer reportedly told his mother that he was walking to the intersection of Shaw and Mark’s to get a new phone. 05:14 And so, he had apparently called her using someone else’s phone because his own
The Shocking Torture and Murder of Sonia Exelby
In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m covering the tragic and deeply disturbing case of Sonia Exelby, a 32-year-old woman from Portsmouth, England, who traveled to the United States in October of 2024… and never made it home. According to investigators, Sonia flew into Gainesville, Florida, after connecting online with a man named Dwain Hall through a fetish website. She was expected to return to the UK just three days later, but she never boarded her flight. What followed became an international homicide investigation that shocked both sides of the Atlantic. As I walk through the timeline of Sonia’s final days, I do so with compassion and care, because beneath the headlines was a real woman whose life mattered. A woman who trusted someone she believed she knew… and whose story ended in unimaginable tragedy. From an investigative standpoint, I also discuss the complexities of cases involving online relationships, long-distance travel, digital evidence, and how quickly missing person cases can escalate into homicide investigations. This episode is not about judgment or sensationalism. It’s about understanding the vulnerability that can exist in human connection, the realities investigators face in cases like this, and honoring the victim at the center of the story. This episode contains discussion of violence, homicide, and sensitive themes involving online exploitation. Please take care of yourself while listening. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. I hope this microphone works. I had to recharge it. I had like half of this recorded and then it went down. 00:42 Anyway, I wanted to mention this week that we are having another True Crime Club meetup. It’s going to be this Friday, May 15th at 6.30 at McCart Street Mercantile at 137 West McCart Street in Krum. 00:59 It’s the same place we had our last one. At this one, it’s going to be a lot of fun. Again, it’s hosted by our blended table, which is a wonderful coffee bar inside the McCart Street Mercantile. My friend Tiana owns it and she’s amazing and just one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet. 01:18 So, if you get a chance to go in there, stop by and talk to her. A game we’re going to play this week is, it was developed by a lady that I met at Beyond the Crime. Her entire family are attorneys. And basically, the game uses real life scenarios to teach players about interrogations and misdemeanors and felonies. 01:44 And she read some of the cards to me and it’s called, again, crime or no crime. And it basically tests you, you know, if this happened, is it a crime or not? And many of them that she asked me, I got wrong. 01:58 I thought I was fairly educated, but y’all, I would be in a lot of trouble because a lot of these things I thought were okay are not okay. I love this game. And we all know that ignorance of the law is no defense. 02:12 So, it kind of helps to learn. And some of the questions are things that you would never really think of. But a lot of them that she asked me about were things that I really thought were okay. So, it’s going to be a lot of fun. 02:28 We’re going to have paddles, and you’ll be able to answer yes or no. We’re going to give away some prizes. So come see us this Friday, at 6.30 at McCart Street Mercantile. The owner Heather is amazing too. 02:40 And y’all, there are some absolutely gorgeous handmade items in there that are the best gifts ever. I personally shop in there a lot for special events because there are things in there that you won’t find anywhere else and I love it. 02:59 Check them out. 137 West McCart Street, Krum, Texas, and you can also purchase online. I do want to talk a little bit about a very interesting case this week, but also, I shipped all my stuff to CrimeCon. 03:15 I think I told you all that last week. Super excited. It’s supposed to get there today. I am anxiously awaiting my UPS confirmation because I’m a little nervous. I mean, I mailed 10 boxes and I just hope that all 10 get there when they’re supposed to and they go to the right place and nothing gets lost or broken or stolen because shipping is expensive. 03:40 Shipping, it was unbelievable. Anyway, we’ll get on to this week, but I would love for all of you who are coming to CrimeCon to come and meet me. I’m in booth 62 in the exhibitors hall. And again, lots of giveaways at my booth, prizes to be given away. 04:02 And I will also be signing copies of my new comic book. So come and get that because those supplies are going to be limited. Okay, this week we’re going to talk about Sonia Exelby. We’re going to do a little forensic breakdown. 04:16 I don’t know if y’all have heard this story, but we’re going to give you the facts. We’re going to give you what we know. On October 10th, 2025, 32-year-old woman from Portsmouth, England named Sonia Exelby boarded a flight from the United Kingdom to the United States. 04:32 Now, she landed at Gainesville Regional Airport in north central Florida, and she was met at the airport by a 53-year-old man that she’d been speaking with online for roughly about two years. Three days later, Sonia missed her return flight home. 04:48 Her parents reported her missing, and six days after that, on October 17th, her remains
Inside the Crime that Shook a Community – Part Three
In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I continue Inside the Crime That Shook a Community with Part Three, focusing on the trial of the man responsible for the death of 7-year-old Athena Strand. This is the part of the story where the legal process begins… but that doesn’t make it any easier. As I walk through the courtroom proceedings, I do so with the same care and intention, because behind every testimony, every piece of evidence, and every legal argument is a family still living with unimaginable loss. Trials are meant to bring answers.They’re meant to bring accountability. But they don’t always bring peace. From an investigative perspective, I also share insight into what happens when a case moves from the scene into the courtroom, how evidence is presented, how timelines are reconstructed, and how the justice system works to piece together the truth in a way that can be understood by a jury. And while this part of the story focuses on the trial…I want to be very clear about something. This is not about the man who committed the crime. It is still about Athena. Her life.Her memory.And the impact she left behind. This episode contains discussion of child violence, courtroom testimony, and sensitive details surrounding the case. Please take care of yourself while listening, and step away if you need to. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner. 00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. This is your host, Julie Mattson. I can’t even tell you how excited I am about CrimeCon. I have never been as a spectator, an exhibitor, or a creator. 00:47 So, I’m super excited to get to go this year. I’m an exhibitor. I could not get on Creator’s Row. I understand that that’s rather difficult. And so, I’m going as an exhibitor, kind of get my foot in the door. 00:58 And I’m hoping to go to Crime Cruise also in November, which travels out of Florida. So if you are planning on going, stop and see me. I would love to visit with you. I’ll have all my merch there. We’re going to do the canvas bags, pens, stickers, t-shirts, hoodies, and poker chips. 01:18 My chips are clay. I think I told y’all I ordered the clay ones. I wanted it to be like a real souvenir and not something that was easy to throw away and super lightweight. So anyway, they’re clay. I’m excited about those. 01:32 They’re cute. They’ve got like my QR code on the back. So, you can go straight to my website. But my merch will be available on the website soon. It’s all new designed stuff that will be available at CrimeCon. 01:46 The first time it’s been available was at Beyond the Crime when we went to New Mexico last month. So, it’s all kind of new design and we sold a lot of merch at Beyond the Crime. So that was so much fun. 01:59 I’m really looking forward to Crime Con. Three days, I think last year they said 6,000 people attended Caesar’s Palace and it’s May 29th through 31st and so super excited. Look forward to seeing you there. 02:13 This week, I want to talk a little more about the Athena Strand case. Again, it’s not one that I really wanted to cover, but I wanted to make sure that I covered just the facts, not guessing what’s happening or guessing what’s going on in people’s heads, but just kind of covering the story and what’s going on. 02:34 So, this episode is a heavy one. And before I get into it, again, I want to say out loud that there are a lot of cases that I cover and you just move on. And there are ones that kind of stay with you even after I stop recording. 02:48 And this is one of those because at the center of everything, we’re about to talk about, it’s not just a case and it’s not just evidence and it’s not just a defendant sitting in the courtroom. It’s a little girl. 02:59 Athena was only seven. What we’re walking through today is the sentencing phase of Tanner Horner’s trial. Now, he already pled guilty, so there’s no question about whether or not he did this. That part is done. 03:12 So now the jury is left with one decision. And it’s one of the hardest decisions any jury will ever have to make. Is he going to get life in prison without parole or the death penalty? And to get there, unfortunately, they had to sit through days of testimony and listen to witnesses who reminded the courtroom who Athena was. 03:36 Some of them walked through exactly what happened and others kind of tried to explain who Tanner Horner is and how he became the person sitting at the defense table. Now, I want to cover a little bit about like what happened during the trial days because like me, I work. 03:55 I can’t sit and watch the trial all day long. I would love to because it’s super interesting. And I did watch the O.J. Simpson trial. I remember back in the day, but that was before life started lifing. 04:09 On the first day, the tone was set pretty much. Tanner Horner stood up. He pleaded guilty. There was no drawn out trial over guilt and no uncertainty at all. It was just acknowledgement, basically. In a way, that shifts the entire weight of the trial because now the jury’s not trying to figure out if he did it. 04:31 They’re just trying to figure out what to do with the truth.
