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  • Julie Mattson
  • August 26, 2026August 26, 2026
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The Lindsay Clancy Trial: New Testimony, New Questions

The Lindsay Clancy trial continues, and with each new day of testimony, the questions surrounding this case seem to become even more complicated. In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m continuing my coverage as the defense presents its case and the jury hears from family members, mental health professionals, and forensic experts offering very different perspectives on Lindsay’s state of mind. As a forensic nurse death investigator, I’m especially interested in what happens when experts examine the same evidence and reach very different conclusions. What does the testimony tell us? What questions remain unanswered? And how will the jury ultimately determine where severe mental illness ends and criminal responsibility begins? I’ll also take you inside some of the more unexpected moments in the courtroom and share my perspective on what stood out to me as the trial moves closer to its conclusion. There is a lot to unpack in this week’s testimony, and some of it may change the way you look at this case. Through it all, I’ll continue to keep Cora, Dawson, and Callan at the center of this story as we follow the evidence and wait to see what comes next. Content Note: This episode discusses the deaths of children, suicide, self-harm, postpartum mental illness, and other subjects that may be difficult for some listeners. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson.  00:10 Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner.  00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey, guys. I’m coming to you today from my med spa, so it’s a little bit different.  00:36 I think I was here last week, and I feel like I’m here all the time.  00:41 So many of you know that I have a med spa in Denton, Texas, and I do a lot of behind-the-scenes work, and then I also work as an injector three days a week.  00:52 So, I’m typically here on Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, and then I… See my new little fella right here. He’s so cute. I need to name him. 01:01 But going to be adding more when I finish my nurse practitioner degree. School starts back in about three weeks, and I have a quick little four-day trip to Mexico planned between now and then.  01:12 So that ought to be fun. I need a trip where I don’t have to do homework. Seem like every time I travel, I’ve got homework to do, and it’s not very relaxing, as many of you who are in school know.  01:24 Anyway, I wanna cover a little bit about what has happened in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial since August seventeenth.  01:32 So, August seventeenth through August twenty-fourth, I’m speaking as a forensic nurse death investigator, and I followed every day of this case.  01:39 I haven’t been able to watch every minute of it, but I follow it the same way I review a scene or a medical chart: evidence first, clinical pattern second, and the human cost, especially the three children, always at the center.  01:56 So, my voice is not here to root for a verdict.  01:59 It’s here to lay out what the record actually shows so that anyone listening can understand where this trial stands and why it matters just beyond one courtroom.  02:11 Now, on August seventeenth, the prosecution rested, so that was after nearly seventy witnesses, and then the defense began.  02:21 What followed was five intense days of family testimony, competing forensic experts, a rejected TikTok witness, early jury dismissals, a mid-trial motion for a mistrial, and the clearest statements about yet what was happening inside Lindsay Clancy’s mind on January twenty-fourth of twenty-twenty-three.  02:44 Lindsay has not taken the stand. Closing arguments are expected as early as tomorrow. Now, the jury has not yet begun to deliberate.  02:55 Let’s walk a little bit through it carefully day by day, and we’re gonna go a little bit through, like, what each witness said and what happened.  03:05 So, on August seventeenth, the prosecution rested, and the defense opened with family members.  03:13 The Commonwealth’s final witness was digital forensics specialist Ian Wiffin of Cellebrite, and he actually detailed data from Lindsay’s iPhone and her Apple Watch.  03:25 Searches in the days before the killings for symptoms of postpartum psychosis, psychosis symptoms, and ketamine for suicidal ideation.  03:36 Apple Maps queries for the restaurant and CVS on the afternoon of January twenty-fourth went over heart rate readings ending at fifty-seven beats per minute at around five twenty-three PM and stair climbing data around five thirty-three PM.  03:53 Now, the defense challenged the gaps in the data after those times and what could reliably be inferred from them. Now, with that, the prosecution rested.  04:05 Now, the defense began immediately as you would assume that it would, and a former coworker got on the stand and described Lindsay as kind, compassionate, very dedicated as a nurse, and a very devoted mother, again, who constantly sought parenting advice from her coworkers.  04:25 And then Lindsay’s sister came on, Allison Ozga, and she is a licensed social worker.  04:30 She testified that by December of twenty-twenty-two, Lindsay was reporting daily suicidal ideations, feeling numb and hopeless.  04:40 And after leaving McLean Hospital in early January, Lindsay told her that she was starting to feel a little better, so she was a little more optimistic.  04:50 Now, Lindsay’s mother, Paula Musgrove, testified through tears that she loved her grandchildren with all of her heart, and she described texts from Lindsay in the fall of twenty-twenty-two.  05:03 One of those texts said, “I’m really sick. Something’s wrong. I’m afraid to be alone.” And she recalled Lindsay saying that the medications were basically destroying her mind.  05:15 In December, she expressed thoughts of harming the children. And now these

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  • Julie Mattson
  • June 10, 2026June 11, 2026
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The State of Texas vs Karmelo Anthony

In last week’s episode, I explored the tragic death of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf and the events that unfolded during a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas. This week, I’m following the case into the courtroom as we examine The State of Texas vs. Karmelo Anthony. During this episode, I’ll walk through the key moments of the trial, the arguments presented by both the prosecution and defense, and the jury’s ultimate decision. We’ll discuss the self-defense claim raised by the defense, the testimony presented during the proceedings, and the factors that may have influenced the outcome. I’ll also review the sentencing phase and the emotional victim impact statements delivered by Austin’s family. As always, my goal is not to sensationalize tragedy, but to help listeners better understand the investigative and legal processes that follow a violent death. Cases like this often generate strong opinions and intense public discussion, but inside the courtroom, decisions must be based on evidence, testimony, and the law. Join me as we take a closer look at one of the most closely watched criminal trials in recent Texas history and examine the legal journey from a fatal encounter to a murder conviction. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner.  00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. Super excited. This is my 202nd episode. And I just want to thank everyone at the Louisville Police Department.  00:48 I spoke with their volunteers last night and I do it frequently, probably, I don’t know, once or twice a year. But it is so fun to go and visit with them. They love to hear about death investigations and exactly what death investigators do.  01:06 And it’s such an amazing group of people. And they donate so much of their time. Big shout out to that group for having me and making me feel welcome. I went into the new Louisville Police Department and it’s beautiful.  01:20 I’ve not been into the new building yet. I know that many of the officers were wondering how long it was going to take before they could get moved in, but it’s really pretty. Thank you again. I appreciate y’all so much.  01:33 This week, I need to touch on the Austin Metcalf case. I covered the Karmelo Anthony trial last week, and I just need to give y’all updates because this is in my area. It’s right down the street. So last week we talked about Karmelo Anthony, a student in Centennial High School here in Frisco.  01:55 He was charged with first degree murder back in April of 2025 for stabbing 17-year-old Austin Metcalf during a high school track meet. And one of the biggest controversies occurred before the testimony even began.  02:10 This was when the jury was chosen because the final jury actually consisted of 12 jurors and there were six alternates, but there were no black jurors seated despite Karmelo Anthony being black. Not a big deal, right, to me, just because color to me is not important.  02:33 But defense attorneys actually challenged the prosecution’s removal of several black prospective jurors, arguing that there was racial bias. Prosecutors actually stated that those jurors were struck because they were educators.  02:50 It had nothing to do with race. And the judge sided with the prosecution. And of course, outside of the courthouse, supporters of Anthony and Metcalf gathered, and tensions ran a little bit high. Wouldn’t want to be in the area during that time.  03:10 On day one, the opening statements took place. The lead prosecutor told jurors that they would see evidence showing that Anthony actually initiated the confrontation and used a concealed knife during what would have been a minor disagreement over seating under a team tent.  03:32 Now, prosecutors argued that the stabbing was intentional and that it was not at all justified. Now, as far as the defense position, defense attorney Mike Howard said that Anthony found himself surrounded and frightened.  03:51 And the defense told jurors that Anthony acted on a split second during a chaotic confrontation and that he believed he was in danger. Their theme from the very beginning was self-defense. The prosecution’s first witness was Mark Porter, and he’s a forensic video analyst.  04:13 Porter actually walked jurors through the surveillance footage from multiple cameras around the stadium. Prosecutors argued the footage showed Anthony entering the tent area, a confrontation occurring, and then Anthony leaving immediately afterwards.  04:33 Now, jurors also saw body camera footage and surveillance evidence at that time. On day two, eyewitnesses took the stand. There were several teenage witnesses and friends of Austin Metcalf’s who testified.  04:51 According to reports, those witnesses consistently described Karmelo Anthony as the aggressor. Their testimony centered really on the argument beneath the tent, Anthony’s refusal to move, and the rapid escalation that followed after that.  05:11 Multiple witnesses described Anthony producing a knife during the confrontation. This was one of the most emotional days of the testimony because many witnesses personally knew Austin Metcalfe. And so you can only imagine how difficult that would be, especially for kids in high school.  05:31 Jurors also heard details about Austin’s final moments after the stabbing, which was also, I’m sure, very difficult to hear. Now, day three, the prosecution continued calling witnesses. Jurors heard from investigators, law enforcement officers, coaches, and also others involved in the aftermath immediately after the stabbing.  05:57 Now, one significant piece of testimony involved Anthony’s statements after the stabbing and body camera footage showed Anthony telling officers he put his hands on me. Now, that statement really became important because the defense argued it supported self-defense, while prosecutors argued that it did not justify

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  • Julie Mattson
  • May 6, 2026May 6, 2026
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Inside the Crime that Shook a Community – Part Three

In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I continue Inside the Crime That Shook a Community with Part Three, focusing on the trial of the man responsible for the death of 7-year-old Athena Strand. This is the part of the story where the legal process begins… but that doesn’t make it any easier. As I walk through the courtroom proceedings, I do so with the same care and intention, because behind every testimony, every piece of evidence, and every legal argument is a family still living with unimaginable loss. Trials are meant to bring answers.They’re meant to bring accountability. But they don’t always bring peace. From an investigative perspective, I also share insight into what happens when a case moves from the scene into the courtroom, how evidence is presented, how timelines are reconstructed, and how the justice system works to piece together the truth in a way that can be understood by a jury. And while this part of the story focuses on the trial…I want to be very clear about something. This is not about the man who committed the crime. It is still about Athena. Her life.Her memory.And the impact she left behind. This episode contains discussion of child violence, courtroom testimony, and sensitive details surrounding the case. Please take care of yourself while listening, and step away if you need to. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:  00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner.  00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. This is your host, Julie Mattson. I can’t even tell you how excited I am about CrimeCon. I have never been as a spectator, an exhibitor, or a creator.  00:47 So, I’m super excited to get to go this year. I’m an exhibitor. I could not get on Creator’s Row. I understand that that’s rather difficult. And so, I’m going as an exhibitor, kind of get my foot in the door.  00:58 And I’m hoping to go to Crime Cruise also in November, which travels out of Florida. So if you are planning on going, stop and see me. I would love to visit with you. I’ll have all my merch there. We’re going to do the canvas bags, pens, stickers, t-shirts, hoodies, and poker chips.  01:18 My chips are clay. I think I told y’all I ordered the clay ones. I wanted it to be like a real souvenir and not something that was easy to throw away and super lightweight. So anyway, they’re clay. I’m excited about those.  01:32 They’re cute. They’ve got like my QR code on the back. So, you can go straight to my website. But my merch will be available on the website soon. It’s all new designed stuff that will be available at CrimeCon.  01:46 The first time it’s been available was at Beyond the Crime when we went to New Mexico last month. So, it’s all kind of new design and we sold a lot of merch at Beyond the Crime. So that was so much fun.  01:59 I’m really looking forward to Crime Con. Three days, I think last year they said 6,000 people attended Caesar’s Palace and it’s May 29th through 31st and so super excited. Look forward to seeing you there.  02:13 This week, I want to talk a little more about the Athena Strand case. Again, it’s not one that I really wanted to cover, but I wanted to make sure that I covered just the facts, not guessing what’s happening or guessing what’s going on in people’s heads, but just kind of covering the story and what’s going on.  02:34 So, this episode is a heavy one. And before I get into it, again, I want to say out loud that there are a lot of cases that I cover and you just move on. And there are ones that kind of stay with you even after I stop recording.  02:48 And this is one of those because at the center of everything, we’re about to talk about, it’s not just a case and it’s not just evidence and it’s not just a defendant sitting in the courtroom. It’s a little girl.  02:59 Athena was only seven. What we’re walking through today is the sentencing phase of Tanner Horner’s trial. Now, he already pled guilty, so there’s no question about whether or not he did this. That part is done.  03:12 So now the jury is left with one decision. And it’s one of the hardest decisions any jury will ever have to make. Is he going to get life in prison without parole or the death penalty? And to get there, unfortunately, they had to sit through days of testimony and listen to witnesses who reminded the courtroom who Athena was.  03:36 Some of them walked through exactly what happened and others kind of tried to explain who Tanner Horner is and how he became the person sitting at the defense table. Now, I want to cover a little bit about like what happened during the trial days because like me, I work.  03:55 I can’t sit and watch the trial all day long. I would love to because it’s super interesting. And I did watch the O.J. Simpson trial. I remember back in the day, but that was before life started lifing.  04:09 On the first day, the tone was set pretty much. Tanner Horner stood up. He pleaded guilty. There was no drawn out trial over guilt and no uncertainty at all. It was just acknowledgement, basically. In a way, that shifts the entire weight of the trial because now the jury’s not trying to figure out if he did it.  04:31 They’re just trying to figure out what to do with the truth.

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The Lindsay Clancy Trial: New Testimony, New Questions
byJulie Mattson

The Lindsay Clancy trial continues, and with each new day of testimony, the questions surrounding this case seem to become even more complicated.

In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m continuing my coverage as the defense presents its case and the jury hears from family members, mental health professionals, and forensic experts offering very different perspectives on Lindsay’s state of mind.

As a forensic nurse death investigator, I’m especially interested in what happens when experts examine the same evidence and reach very different conclusions. What does the testimony tell us? What questions remain unanswered? And how will the jury ultimately determine where severe mental illness ends and criminal responsibility begins?

I’ll also take you inside some of the more unexpected moments in the courtroom and share my perspective on what stood out to me as the trial moves closer to its conclusion.

There is a lot to unpack in this week’s testimony, and some of it may change the way you look at this case.

Through it all, I’ll continue to keep Cora, Dawson, and Callan at the center of this story as we follow the evidence and wait to see what comes next.

Content Note: This episode discusses the deaths of children, suicide, self-harm, postpartum mental illness, and other subjects that may be difficult for some listeners.

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