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  • Julie Mattson
  • June 24, 2026June 24, 2026
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The Survivor Who Stopped a Serial Killer

In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m examining the disturbing case of Shawn Michael Grate, a serial killer whose crimes spanned a decade across northern Ohio and left multiple families forever changed. What makes this case especially unsettling is not only the length of time the murders continued, but how many opportunities there may have been to stop the violence sooner. As investigators pieced together the evidence, a clearer picture emerged of a predator who targeted vulnerable women, leaving behind unanswered questions and unimaginable heartbreak. As a forensic death investigator, I walk through the timeline of the investigation, the evidence that ultimately connected the cases, and the forensic and investigative techniques that helped bring long-awaited answers to the victims’ families. We’ll also discuss how missing persons investigations, crime scene evidence, and victim identification play critical roles in solving complex serial homicide cases. But as with every case I cover, I want to keep the focus where it belongs. On the victims. Each woman had a life, a story, and people who loved her. Behind every headline was someone whose future was stolen far too soon. Their lives deserve to be remembered with dignity, not simply as part of a criminal’s history. This episode explores the realities of serial homicide investigations while honoring the individuals whose stories might otherwise be overshadowed by the person responsible. This episode contains discussion of homicide, sexual violence, and serial murder. Listener discretion is advised. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06  Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner.  00:24  Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. I am working on my home YouTube podcast studio. My office is very, there’s a lot of echoes in there.  00:47  And so, I’m going to have to do something, I think, with the walls. As you all know, I’ve been recording for years in the floor of my closet, surrounded by my clothes hanging, which serve a great buffer from outside noise.  01:01  But I’m ready to get on video. I’m ready to do this YouTube thing. I’ve also started a YouTube channel for my MedSpa called Beyond the Needle, and I’m working on the studio there at the same time. Of course, all while going to grad school, recording the podcast, taking care of my family, and working full-time at the med spa and actually attending clinicals for $0 an hour.  01:33  So, we all know at some point in our lives what that looks like. And it’s so fun, y’all. But I’ve got to get the YouTube up and going. I know that YouTube’s kind of where it’s at, trying to work a little bit on my TikTok.  01:48  I have somebody that’s going to help me with some videos. And right now, I have someone working on an intro and outro for my YouTube channels for both the MedSpa and the podcast. So, we’re going to start really pushing out the subscription boxes, the cereal boxes.  02:04  Those are great. They have the cutest things in them. I know that y’all are going to love them. And I’ve got a lot of new items with my logo on them that I took to CrimeCon. And yeah, I really need to get up to the Merk here in Krum and get all that stuff set up in that booth so that y’all can purchase some of the new stuff.  02:24  I know I’ve had a lot of y’all asking about them. First, I want to talk a little bit about my friend Stephanie. Stephanie owns a company called Soaping Up Life, and her soaps are amazing. Let me tell you, I bought some in little boxes, super cute gifts for my girlfriends for Christmas, and they loved them.  02:49  There was a bath bomb, a soap, I think a lip balm. It was just the cutest little set ever. So, if you need some self-care in your life, you’re going to find a lot of handcrafted soaps, foaming hand soaps, bath bombs, and more.  03:07  And these are made in very small batches by Stephanie at her house with skin-loving ingredients and unique fragrances that you will absolutely love. And for the ultimate treat, you need to join her subscription box, Soaping Up Life, and get a curated collection of handmade bath and body products delivered right to your door every month.  03:32  So, visit soapinguplife.com and treat yourself today. You will not be sorry. Stephanie’s soaps smell amazing. This week, we’re going to talk a little about missed opportunities. This is a case that continues today to haunt investigators across Ohio.  03:55  But first, I do want to thank y’all for spending your day with me. I know I met so many people at CrimeCon who listen every day. And some while they’re driving to work, some might be walking their dog, cleaning their house, or just sitting in their favorite chair with a cup of coffee.  04:12  But I truly appreciate you being here. Now, again, this is a story of missed opportunities and vulnerable victims. A story about a woman who actually made one phone call that saved her life and exposed a serial killer.  04:30  This is about Shawn Grate. And I want to say that this episode actually contains discussion of sexual assault, not vivid, but there were some women tortured. There were homicides involved and violence against women.  04:47  So, listener discretion is advised. I don’t go into gory details, but I want to get started a little bit on this story. Now, September 13th, 2016, we’re in Ashland, Ohio, and there was a woman trapped inside a house.  05:08  She’d been beaten. She’d been sexually assaulted. She had been bound to a bed and

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  • Julie Mattson
  • May 13, 2026May 13, 2026
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The Shocking Torture and Murder of Sonia Exelby

In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m covering the tragic and deeply disturbing case of Sonia Exelby, a 32-year-old woman from Portsmouth, England, who traveled to the United States in October of 2024… and never made it home. According to investigators, Sonia flew into Gainesville, Florida, after connecting online with a man named Dwain Hall through a fetish website. She was expected to return to the UK just three days later, but she never boarded her flight. What followed became an international homicide investigation that shocked both sides of the Atlantic. As I walk through the timeline of Sonia’s final days, I do so with compassion and care, because beneath the headlines was a real woman whose life mattered. A woman who trusted someone she believed she knew… and whose story ended in unimaginable tragedy. From an investigative standpoint, I also discuss the complexities of cases involving online relationships, long-distance travel, digital evidence, and how quickly missing person cases can escalate into homicide investigations. This episode is not about judgment or sensationalism. It’s about understanding the vulnerability that can exist in human connection, the realities investigators face in cases like this, and honoring the victim at the center of the story. This episode contains discussion of violence, homicide, and sensitive themes involving online exploitation. Please take care of yourself while listening. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:  00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson. Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner.  00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Pushing Up Lilies. I hope this microphone works. I had to recharge it. I had like half of this recorded and then it went down.  00:42 Anyway, I wanted to mention this week that we are having another True Crime Club meetup. It’s going to be this Friday, May 15th at 6.30 at McCart Street Mercantile at 137 West McCart Street in Krum.  00:59 It’s the same place we had our last one. At this one, it’s going to be a lot of fun. Again, it’s hosted by our blended table, which is a wonderful coffee bar inside the McCart Street Mercantile. My friend Tiana owns it and she’s amazing and just one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet.  01:18 So, if you get a chance to go in there, stop by and talk to her. A game we’re going to play this week is, it was developed by a lady that I met at Beyond the Crime. Her entire family are attorneys. And basically, the game uses real life scenarios to teach players about interrogations and misdemeanors and felonies.  01:44 And she read some of the cards to me and it’s called, again, crime or no crime. And it basically tests you, you know, if this happened, is it a crime or not? And many of them that she asked me, I got wrong.  01:58 I thought I was fairly educated, but y’all, I would be in a lot of trouble because a lot of these things I thought were okay are not okay. I love this game. And we all know that ignorance of the law is no defense.  02:12 So, it kind of helps to learn. And some of the questions are things that you would never really think of. But a lot of them that she asked me about were things that I really thought were okay. So, it’s going to be a lot of fun.  02:28 We’re going to have paddles, and you’ll be able to answer yes or no. We’re going to give away some prizes. So come see us this Friday, at 6.30 at McCart Street Mercantile. The owner Heather is amazing too.  02:40 And y’all, there are some absolutely gorgeous handmade items in there that are the best gifts ever. I personally shop in there a lot for special events because there are things in there that you won’t find anywhere else and I love it.  02:59 Check them out. 137 West McCart Street, Krum, Texas, and you can also purchase online. I do want to talk a little bit about a very interesting case this week, but also, I shipped all my stuff to CrimeCon.  03:15 I think I told you all that last week. Super excited. It’s supposed to get there today. I am anxiously awaiting my UPS confirmation because I’m a little nervous. I mean, I mailed 10 boxes and I just hope that all 10 get there when they’re supposed to and they go to the right place and nothing gets lost or broken or stolen because shipping is expensive.  03:40 Shipping, it was unbelievable. Anyway, we’ll get on to this week, but I would love for all of you who are coming to CrimeCon to come and meet me. I’m in booth 62 in the exhibitors hall. And again, lots of giveaways at my booth, prizes to be given away.  04:02 And I will also be signing copies of my new comic book. So come and get that because those supplies are going to be limited. Okay, this week we’re going to talk about Sonia Exelby. We’re going to do a little forensic breakdown.  04:16 I don’t know if y’all have heard this story, but we’re going to give you the facts. We’re going to give you what we know. On October 10th, 2025, 32-year-old woman from Portsmouth, England named Sonia Exelby boarded a flight from the United Kingdom to the United States.  04:32 Now, she landed at Gainesville Regional Airport in north central Florida, and she was met at the airport by a 53-year-old man that she’d been speaking with online for roughly about two years. Three days later, Sonia missed her return flight home.  04:48 Her parents reported her missing, and six days after that, on October 17th, her remains

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  • Julie Mattson
  • May 28, 2025May 28, 2025
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Part Two: The Victims of Fred & Rose West

In this episode, I’m digging into the unsettling story of Faye and Raymond Copeland—the oldest couple ever sentenced to death in the United States.

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  • Julie Mattson
  • May 21, 2025May 21, 2025
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Fred & Rose West: The House of Horrors in Gloucester

In this episode, I’m digging into the unsettling story of Faye and Raymond Copeland—the oldest couple ever sentenced to death in the United States.

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  • Julie Mattson
  • May 7, 2025May 7, 2025
  • Podcast

82-Year-Old Marcia Norman Encased in Cement

In this episode, I’m digging into the unsettling story of Faye and Raymond Copeland—the oldest couple ever sentenced to death in the United States.

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  • Julie Mattson
  • April 30, 2025April 30, 2025
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Elmer Wayne Henley – The Candyman’s Apprentice

In this episode, I’m digging into the unsettling story of Faye and Raymond Copeland—the oldest couple ever sentenced to death in the United States.

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  • Julie Mattson
  • April 23, 2025April 23, 2025
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Dean Arnold Corll – The Candyman Serial Killer

In this episode, I’m digging into the unsettling story of Faye and Raymond Copeland—the oldest couple ever sentenced to death in the United States.

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  • Julie Mattson
  • December 13, 2023December 14, 2023
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When Serial Killers Are Set Free

On today’s episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I delve into a bone-chilling exploration of a disturbing phenomenon in this episode: serial killers from around the world released from prison for good behavior.

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Dissect the science behind some of the most spine-tingling, unusual and terrifyingly true crime stories with Julie Mattson, a seasoned Forensic Nurse Death Investigator in this gripping weekly podcast.

Julie’s unique approach to investigations is informed by her background in nursing, which allows her to provide an in-depth analysis of the medical intricacies and physiological aspects of each case.

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The Lindsay Clancy Trial: Psychosis, Premeditation, or Both?
byJulie Mattson

Last week, I took you through the devastating events of January 24, 2023, the night Lindsay Clancy’s three young children, Cora, Dawson, and Callan, were fatally harmed inside their family home in Duxbury, Massachusetts.

This week, we move from the home to the courtroom.

In The Lindsay Clancy Trial: Psychosis, Premeditation, or Both?, I take a closer look at one of the most complicated questions surrounding this case:

What was happening in Lindsay Clancy’s mind when her children died?

Lindsay’s mental health before the deaths has become a critical part of understanding the case. Her treatment, medications, reported symptoms, and concerns surrounding postpartum mental illness raise difficult questions about postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis, and about how severe psychiatric illness affects criminal responsibility.

But there is another side to this case.

The circumstances surrounding that night also raise questions about planning and awareness. Lindsay’s husband, Patrick, left the home to run errands. During the relatively short period he was gone, the lives of all three children were changed forever.

So how does the legal system distinguish between an intentional, premeditated act and an act committed by someone experiencing profound psychosis?

Can a person appear organized or purposeful while simultaneously experiencing a severe break from reality?

And where does mental illness end and legal responsibility begin?

As a nurse and former forensic death investigator, I’m particularly interested in the intersection between the medical evidence and the investigative evidence. A case like this cannot be understood through one piece of information alone. We have to look at the timeline, behavior, medical and psychiatric history, physical evidence, statements, expert opinions, and what investigators were able to establish.

We also have to remember why this trial is happening.

Three young children lost their lives.

Whatever conclusions are ultimately reached about Lindsay’s mental state and criminal responsibility, Cora, Dawson, and Callan remain at the center of this case.

In this episode, I explore the competing questions surrounding the Lindsay Clancy trial and the challenge of evaluating a case in which mental illness and evidence of apparent planning may exist alongside one another.

Was this postpartum psychosis?

Was it premeditation?

Or is the truth more complicated than either explanation alone?

Join me for Part Two of the Lindsay Clancy case on Pushing Up Lilies:

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