The Lindsay Clancy trial continues, and with each new day of testimony, the questions surrounding this case seem to become even more complicated. In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m continuing my coverage as the defense presents its case and the jury hears from family members, mental health professionals, and forensic experts offering very different perspectives on Lindsay’s state of mind. As a forensic nurse death investigator, I’m especially interested in what happens when experts examine the same evidence and reach very different conclusions. What does the testimony tell us? What questions remain unanswered? And how will the jury ultimately determine where severe mental illness ends and criminal responsibility begins? I’ll also take you inside some of the more unexpected moments in the courtroom and share my perspective on what stood out to me as the trial moves closer to its conclusion. There is a lot to unpack in this week’s testimony, and some of it may change the way you look at this case. Through it all, I’ll continue to keep Cora, Dawson, and Callan at the center of this story as we follow the evidence and wait to see what comes next. Content Note: This episode discusses the deaths of children, suicide, self-harm, postpartum mental illness, and other subjects that may be difficult for some listeners. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: 00:06 Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies. I’m your host, Julie Mattson.  00:10 Pushing Up Lilies is a weekly true crime podcast with spine-tingling, unusual, and terrifyingly true stories from my perspective as a forensic death investigator and a sexual assault nurse examiner.  00:24 Do I have some stories for you? Are you ready? Hey, guys. I’m coming to you today from my med spa, so it’s a little bit different.  00:36 I think I was here last week, and I feel like I’m here all the time.  00:41 So many of you know that I have a med spa in Denton, Texas, and I do a lot of behind-the-scenes work, and then I also work as an injector three days a week.  00:52 So, I’m typically here on Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, and then I… See my new little fella right here. He’s so cute. I need to name him. 01:01 But going to be adding more when I finish my nurse practitioner degree. School starts back in about three weeks, and I have a quick little four-day trip to Mexico planned between now and then.  01:12 So that ought to be fun. I need a trip where I don’t have to do homework. Seem like every time I travel, I’ve got homework to do, and it’s not very relaxing, as many of you who are in school know.  01:24 Anyway, I wanna cover a little bit about what has happened in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial since August seventeenth.  01:32 So, August seventeenth through August twenty-fourth, I’m speaking as a forensic nurse death investigator, and I followed every day of this case.  01:39 I haven’t been able to watch every minute of it, but I follow it the same way I review a scene or a medical chart: evidence first, clinical pattern second, and the human cost, especially the three children, always at the center.  01:56 So, my voice is not here to root for a verdict.  01:59 It’s here to lay out what the record actually shows so that anyone listening can understand where this trial stands and why it matters just beyond one courtroom.  02:11 Now, on August seventeenth, the prosecution rested, so that was after nearly seventy witnesses, and then the defense began.  02:21 What followed was five intense days of family testimony, competing forensic experts, a rejected TikTok witness, early jury dismissals, a mid-trial motion for a mistrial, and the clearest statements about yet what was happening inside Lindsay Clancy’s mind on January twenty-fourth of twenty-twenty-three.  02:44 Lindsay has not taken the stand. Closing arguments are expected as early as tomorrow. Now, the jury has not yet begun to deliberate.  02:55 Let’s walk a little bit through it carefully day by day, and we’re gonna go a little bit through, like, what each witness said and what happened.  03:05 So, on August seventeenth, the prosecution rested, and the defense opened with family members.  03:13 The Commonwealth’s final witness was digital forensics specialist Ian Wiffin of Cellebrite, and he actually detailed data from Lindsay’s iPhone and her Apple Watch.  03:25 Searches in the days before the killings for symptoms of postpartum psychosis, psychosis symptoms, and ketamine for suicidal ideation.  03:36 Apple Maps queries for the restaurant and CVS on the afternoon of January twenty-fourth went over heart rate readings ending at fifty-seven beats per minute at around five twenty-three PM and stair climbing data around five thirty-three PM.  03:53 Now, the defense challenged the gaps in the data after those times and what could reliably be inferred from them. Now, with that, the prosecution rested.  04:05 Now, the defense began immediately as you would assume that it would, and a former coworker got on the stand and described Lindsay as kind, compassionate, very dedicated as a nurse, and a very devoted mother, again, who constantly sought parenting advice from her coworkers.  04:25 And then Lindsay’s sister came on, Allison Ozga, and she is a licensed social worker.  04:30 She testified that by December of twenty-twenty-two, Lindsay was reporting daily suicidal ideations, feeling numb and hopeless.  04:40 And after leaving McLean Hospital in early January, Lindsay told her that she was starting to feel a little better, so she was a little more optimistic.  04:50 Now, Lindsay’s mother, Paula Musgrove, testified through tears that she loved her grandchildren with all of her heart, and she described texts from Lindsay in the fall of twenty-twenty-two.  05:03 One of those texts said, “I’m really sick. Something’s wrong. I’m afraid to be alone.” And she recalled Lindsay saying that the medications were basically destroying her mind.  05:15 In December, she expressed thoughts of harming the children. And now these