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  • September 21, 2022
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Episode 08: Welcome to Pushing Up Lilies, I’m your host Julie Mattson. As a death investigator, I have worked many scenes at hotels, from homicides to suicides. Today I want to share with you a few stories on the many weird and different ways that people have died in a hotel.

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•    I know that hotels are a magnet for suicides and other types of death. People will go to a hotel to commit suicide to avoid making a mess at home, and so, of course, in that hotel room where someone might shoot themselves, there’s going to be a hole in the wall or blood or whatnot. And so to avoid that mess at home, then they would go to a hotel… I’ve seen this a lot over the years. Obviously, the hotels aren’t going to widely advertise deaths that occur there because they want to keep making money. So, they wouldn’t want everyone to know that all these people have come there to kill themselves or other things that go on in the hotel. They don’t want you to feel unsafe, and they’re obviously not going to be like, Hey, come here, people die here. So the truth is, people are 19 times more likely to commit suicide in a hotel. And they kind of believe, like I said before, they’re being thoughtful, they don’t want to make a mess at home. (01:55)

•   So these days, you’ll notice that hotel rooms may not have a balcony or even a window that opens, and that’s because of a large number of people who jump to their death from a hotel room… I had a scene years ago where a group of people rented a hotel room for a drug party, the group was shooting up meth at this cheap hotel and they didn’t want to get caught at their residence. So one of the group members became unconscious and so she stopped breathing and everybody panicked, and the rest of the group members decided that the best thing to do was to put her under the mattress inside the foundation, which is that surface that the mattress rests on, surrounded by wood. I used to think, and maybe it is true, I’m not sure that it was put there so you wouldn’t lose things under the bed, but that’s probably not the purpose of it. But weeks later, someone in the group actually started feeling bad about it, imagine that, and they called the hotel, it’s not the Hilton, by the way. And they told the office staff that they were there three weeks prior, that they had a friend that became unconscious and then in a panic, they placed her under the mattress, so of course, management has to investigate this, they’re not going to be like, Okay, whatever.    (07:03)

•   It’s kind of strange, when I look back at some of the different deaths that have happened in hotels. A lot of celebrities have been found dead in hotel rooms, which is kind of interesting, and I don’t think in those cases that they’re there to avoid making a mess, I think that they’re probably on tour and just happened to be where they were. For example, Whitney Houston, she was found in February of 2012, she was 48 years old, and she was at the Beverly Hilton Hotel. But she was found in the bath tub in a foot of water and her death was ruled a drug overdose. I believe they said that it was accidental, that she was taking several different medications to help her sleep, but she was at the Beverly Hilton. Anna Nicole Smith, she was found in 07, and she was 39 years old. She was at the Seminal Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Fort Lauderdale. Her death was also ruled a drug overdose. And so going back, John Belushi, he was one of the original cast members of Saturday Night Live. He was found in the Chateau Marmont in Hollywood, CA.,  he was only 33. (10:25)

•   In 1938, there was a story about a female that fell from a ninth story window, the medical examiner was unable to determine if it was an accident or suicide. And in 1939, another male fell from the building. Also the same year, another gentleman was found dead in his room after ingesting poison. In 1940, there was a female who died after ingesting poison. Many people again, who jump out the window, in 44 someone died after jumping out the seventh floor window. So then we had a 10-year span where nothing happened. But in 54, another female died after jumping from the seventh floor window, and she landed on top of the marquee. And then in 62, someone jumped from the eighth floor… In 62 again, someone jumped from the ninth floor. And the interesting part that I read about this is that her and her spouse were arguing, he left the room, went downstairs, and when she jumped out the window, she landed on top of of him. (16:33)


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The Lindsay Clancy trial has reached one of its most important moments. The witnesses are finished, both sides have made their closing arguments, and now twelve jurors are left to decide what happened inside that home on January 24, 2023, and whether Lindsay was criminally responsible when Cora, Dawson, and Callan died.

In this episode of Pushing Up Lilies, I’m taking you through the final stretch of testimony without making you sit through every minute of psychiatrists and psychologists arguing over diagnoses. Because, y’all, even I recorded that version, and decided I wasn’t going to do that to you. 

Instead, I want to focus on what actually matters.

The Commonwealth brought in its final three experts, and while none of them suggested Lindsay was well or that her suicide attempt wasn’t real, they disagreed with the defense over two critical issues: whether she was psychotic and whether she still had the capacity to understand that what she was doing was wrong.

We’ll also talk about the moment religion entered the testimony and the defense asked for a mistrial, what happened during closing arguments, and the five possible decisions the jury can reach for each child, including what a finding of lack of criminal responsibility would actually mean. 

As a forensic nurse death investigator, I keep coming back to something I learned working scenes: evidence doesn’t narrate itself. Phones, medications, searches, timelines, medical records and witness statements give us pieces. It’s investigators, experts, attorneys, and ultimately jurors, who have to determine what those pieces mean.

And that is exactly where this case now sits.

The jury doesn’t have to decide whether Lindsay suffered. Every expert agreed that she did. Their job is to determine whether the Commonwealth proved criminal responsibility beyond a reasonable doubt.

And while we talk about mental illness, diagnoses, criminal responsibility and everything surrounding this trial, I don’t want us to lose sight of the reason that courtroom exists in the first place: Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

I’ll continue following the case and bring you an update when something moves.

Content Note: This episode discusses the deaths of children, strangulation, suicide, self-harm, and serious mental illness.

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